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RE: High fructose corn syrup - 3/14/2010 10:58:14 PM
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tacitus
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I can't say this surprises me -- sugar is sugar no matter the source. It's the calories that count in the end.
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RE: High fructose corn syrup - 3/15/2010 5:46:51 PM
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The question is who funded the research? That often determines the outcome of research. There are many other sources stating the opposite. I used to have a pretty long thread with a lot of links to various research articles that came to a much different conclusion.
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The author is a consultant to the food and beverage industry in nutritive sweeteners, including HFCS and sucrose. His professional associations, past and present, include individual food industry companies as well as such organizations as the American Chemical Society, American Council on Science and Health, Calorie Control Council, Corn Refiners Association, Institute of Food Technologists, and International Life Sciences Institute.
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RE: High fructose corn syrup - 3/15/2010 8:56:16 PM
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And we can draw the same conclusion on those research articles you listed.
Few researches have no agenda nowadays.
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ORIGINAL: StephK
The question is who funded the research? That often determines the outcome of research. There are many other sources stating the opposite. I used to have a pretty long thread with a lot of links to various research articles that came to a much different conclusion.
From the article:
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The author is a consultant to the food and beverage industry in nutritive sweeteners, including HFCS and sucrose. His professional associations, past and present, include individual food industry companies as well as such organizations as the American Chemical Society, American Council on Science and Health, Calorie Control Council, Corn Refiners Association, Institute of Food Technologists, and International Life Sciences Institute.
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RE: High fructose corn syrup - 3/15/2010 8:57:06 PM
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stellaluna
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I embrace high fructose corn syrup. Also, low fructose corn syrup. And popcorn.
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RE: High fructose corn syrup - 3/15/2010 8:59:55 PM
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I like honey, sucralose, and agave syrup.
I grew up on fresh honey. I think it is awesome.
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RE: High fructose corn syrup - 3/15/2010 9:37:05 PM
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StephK
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ORIGINAL: jhuperetes
And we can draw the same conclusion on those research articles you listed.
Few researches have no agenda nowadays.
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ORIGINAL: StephK
The question is who funded the research? That often determines the outcome of research. There are many other sources stating the opposite. I used to have a pretty long thread with a lot of links to various research articles that came to a much different conclusion.
From the article:
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The author is a consultant to the food and beverage industry in nutritive sweeteners, including HFCS and sucrose. His professional associations, past and present, include individual food industry companies as well as such organizations as the American Chemical Society, American Council on Science and Health, Calorie Control Council, Corn Refiners Association, Institute of Food Technologists, and International Life Sciences Institute.
I'm sure that is true but this study doesn't hide the fact that they are affiliated with the Corn Refiners Association and several other in the industry.
I have a few of the articles from the same journal that says it's not good. The following article was done by the Pennington Biomedical Research Center at LSU. It doesn't mention any lobby groups like the OP article. There's no mention of financial or other relationships to the sponsors of the study.
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/79/4/537
This article makes it plain that there was no financial or personal relationships with the sponsors of the work.
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/76/5/911
The unbiased articles seem to find that HFCS isn't good for you while those sponsored by the Corn and Food and Beverage Lobbies say it is good for you.
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RE: High fructose corn syrup - 3/15/2010 9:44:43 PM
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I try to avoid it-but I don't think you can blame the obesity problem on just that one substance.
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RE: High fructose corn syrup - 3/15/2010 10:29:25 PM
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There is more than the obesity reason to be leery of it.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090303123802.htm
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RE: High fructose corn syrup - 3/16/2010 8:39:32 AM
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jhuperetes
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By default, if something is sponsored by an industry, the research must be faulty?
If they hid the fact whom they are sponsored by, they would be chastised for that.
If they are sponsored by a specific industry, they are chastised for that.
Hmmm...
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I'm sure that is true but this study doesn't hide the fact that they are affiliated with the Corn Refiners Association and several other in the industry.
I have a few of the articles from the same journal that says it's not good. The following article was done by the Pennington Biomedical Research Center at LSU. It doesn't mention any lobby groups like the OP article. There's no mention of financial or other relationships to the sponsors of the study.
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/79/4/537
This article makes it plain that there was no financial or personal relationships with the sponsors of the work.
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/76/5/911
The unbiased articles seem to find that HFCS isn't good for you while those sponsored by the Corn and Food and Beverage Lobbies say it is good for you.
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RE: High fructose corn syrup - 3/16/2010 11:43:33 AM
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There have been many studies showing the problems HFCS causes for years now. If the substance wasn't in just about everything that was processed it would be different. The fact that there is a lot of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ invested in the product must be taken into account when those who benefit financially are sponsoring the research, especially when there are many studies over the years stating that it does cause metabolic problems, liver problems, kidney problems, etc.
You can accept their findings if you want, I don't based on reading other studies where those without any financial ties to the outcome have found that it's not a benign substance. I also base it on my own health issues that go away when I avoid HFCS like the plague. It's not a safe substance for me.
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RE: High fructose corn syrup - 3/16/2010 1:35:17 PM
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I understand, StephK.
In your opinion, if the research is sponsored by a not-for-profit organization, albeit maybe with still a strong agenda, then the validity of their research is exponentially higher than a research sponsored by a for-profit organization (or related to).
I presume you grew up in the USA.
This is fascinating for me, because discussing similar topics with people who grew up behind the "Iron Curtain", just the opposite views are expressed. Over there, people are extremely leery of research sponsored by government or with groups not clearly tied to some business.
In their opinion, it is clear there may be a business bias with a research sponsored by business.
On the other hand, where the connection is not evident, much more dangerous and sinister possibilities can lurk, in their opinion.
I rather dance with someone who uses me and tells me, then someone who kisses me then stabs me in the back.
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RE: High fructose corn syrup - 3/16/2010 3:18:38 PM
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I'm enjoying reading all of the responses! I try to avoid HFCS whenever I can, its not easy, based on other articles I have read. This article was just so different and presented another side to the controversy over HFCS.
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RE: High fructose corn syrup - 3/16/2010 5:24:05 PM
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You all might find this this video interesting...it's by Robert Lustig, MD who is a professor of Clinical Pediatrics at the University of California.
The video is called Sugar the Bitter Truth. He talks about how differently the body processes glucose vs. fructose. Apparently it doesn't have a problem with processing fructose in its fiber package, as God made it in fruit and corn. But when it is taken out of its "packaging" and processed as man has done, he says the body treats it the same as a poison. The video is a big long but I found it eye-opening!
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RE: High fructose corn syrup - 3/17/2010 1:47:32 AM
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Well, i prefer plain sugar, brown sugar or honey. A lot of those concentrated sugars like sucralose, fructose, and splenda can cause diabetes. The liver processes different kinds of sugars with different chemical structures in small amounts and many of these kinds of sugars have those same structures and overload your system. Just be careful.
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RE: High fructose corn syrup - 3/24/2010 1:20:31 PM
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You say Splenda can cause diabetes. What about if you are a diabetic and you have to use artificial sweeteners or none at all? My cousin is diabetic and he says he tried the sweetener from the Stevia plant and he said he doesn't like the taste and that is supposed to be natural and can be used by him.
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RE: High fructose corn syrup - 3/24/2010 1:50:29 PM
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You say Splenda can cause diabetes. What about if you are a diabetic and you have to use artificial sweeteners or none at all? My cousin is diabetic and he says he tried the sweetener from the Stevia plant and he said he doesn't like the taste and that is supposed to be natural and can be used by him.
When I had gestational diabetes, I went no sugar. I love sweets, but I stuck to it. They said I could have certain amounts, but it was too much for me to figure it all out and I didn’t want to end up having the pr ick myself, so I just entirely went off sugar. We do not need added sweeteners in our foods. Sure we like them, but that’s because we have gotten used to them and dependent upon them.
I love my steal-cut oats with fruit in the morning, but normally eat them without sweetener. This morning I am trying them with ground dates to see if it adds enough sweetness. To me, they are really good, but I promised my husband I wouldn’t make him try them.
What it takes it a willingness to try new things and to get off processed foods as much as possible without having to add sweetener to everything. Or if we do, to add something natural, like dates or fruit. So you know, ground dates are fine, but they do not melt, so you cannot use them to replace sugar in recipes.
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RE: High fructose corn syrup - 3/24/2010 1:55:37 PM
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Splenda does not cause diabetes.
First off, Type 1 diabetes is a hereditary autoimmune disease. It is result of destruction of beta cells due to aggressive nature of cells present in the body. It's not caused by "eating Splenda."
As to Type 2 diabetes, over 16 million people in the U.S. have diabetes, and most of them have had diabetes longer than Splenda has even been around!
The exact causes of type 2 diabetes aren’t completely understood, but it is known that the disease has a strong hereditary component. Individuals who have a parent or sibling with type 2 diabetes have 10 to 15% chance of developing the disease (the risk is much higher if the sibling is an identical twin). Environmental factors like an inactive lifestyle or poor diet may act as a trigger for someone with a genetic tendency towards type 2 diabetes. Other potential causes of type 2 include chronic stress, low birth weight (and associated fetal malnourishment), and gene mutations.
Diabetes risk factors for developing type 2 diabetes include:
* Overweight or obesity. Having a body mass index (BMI) of 25 or more
* Heredity. Having a parent or sibling with type 2 diabetes
* Ethnicity Being of African American, American Indian/Alaskan Native, Asian American, Pacific Islander or Latino American descent
* Gestational diabetes
* A history of gestational diabetes, or having at least one baby weighing more than 9 pounds at birth
* Hypertension. High blood pressure of 140/90 mm Hg or higher
* Poor cholesterol profile. HDL cholesterol ("good" cholesterol) levels of 35 or lower and/or triglyceride levels of 250 or higher
* Inactivity. Living a sedentary lifestyle (i.e.,exercising less than three times a week)
* Being an older adult. Approximately 18.4% of Americans over age 65 have type 2 diabetes
* Having diagnosed prediabetes
* Drug Induced: Clozapine (Clozaril), olanzapine (Zyprexa), risperidone (Risperdal), quetiapine (Seroquel) and ziprasidone (Geodon) are known to induce diabetes/
* Infection : Some of the strephylococci is suppose to be responsible factor for infection in pancreas.
* Diabetes is commonly seen in elderly especially males but, strongly in women and those females with multiple pregnancy or suffering from (PCOS) Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome.
According to the National Institutes of Health, an estimated 80% of people with type 2 diabetes are overweight or obese (i.e., a BMI of 25 or higher). Here’s why excess fat increases insulin resistance:
* Fat cells have fewer insulin receptors (the place where insulin binds to open the cell to glucose) than muscle cells.
* Fat cells release free fatty acids, and free fatty acids interfere with glucose metabolism.
* Excess glucose that can’t be used by the cells for energy is stored as body fat, increasing the cellular mass that the pancreas is trying to “feed” via insulin. In overweight people, insulin production is increased to meet.
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RE: High fructose corn syrup - 3/24/2010 2:09:48 PM
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To clarify, I wasn't agreeing that Splenda does or does not cause diabetes. I was commenting on the part about not using sweetener. I don't know anything about the use of Splenda. I stay away from artificial sweeteners, so I don't both checking into them for lack of interest.
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RE: High fructose corn syrup - 3/24/2010 3:03:12 PM
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Although I completely agree with Molly, if you need to go sugar free it is not a death sentence. It takes about two weeks to get rid of the sugar cravings. After that, you lose a great deal of your taste for it.
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RE: High fructose corn syrup - 3/24/2010 3:24:36 PM
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Splenda does not cause diabetes.
First off, Type 1 diabetes is a hereditary autoimmune disease. It is result of destruction of beta cells due to aggressive nature of cells present in the body. It's not caused by "eating Splenda."
As to Type 2 diabetes, over 16 million people in the U.S. have diabetes, and most of them have had diabetes longer than Splenda has even been around!
The exact causes of type 2 diabetes aren’t completely understood, but it is known that the disease has a strong hereditary component. Individuals who have a parent or sibling with type 2 diabetes have 10 to 15% chance of developing the disease (the risk is much higher if the sibling is an identical twin). Environmental factors like an inactive lifestyle or poor diet may act as a trigger for someone with a genetic tendency towards type 2 diabetes. Other potential causes of type 2 include chronic stress, low birth weight (and associated fetal malnourishment), and gene mutations.
Thank you for posting this, Mrs. Molly!!
Combat diabetes misinformation!!!!!!
I'm not recommending or warning against Splenda or any other artificial sweetener... or promoting or discounting other sugars.
I think people can have all sorts of sensitivities to various foods, processed or otherwise. Including HFCS.
Sensitivities and allergies vary from person to person.
And I think how the body responds to various types of sugars (sucrose, lactose, fructose, etc.) also varies from person to person.
I think what is more important is to consider the overall nutritiousness of the food one is considering eating.... and to know your body. Learn how *you* are affected by that food. And then make your choices accordingly.
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RE: High fructose corn syrup - 3/24/2010 5:11:57 PM
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Mollymouser
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ORIGINAL: Mollymouser
Splenda does not cause diabetes.
First off, Type 1 diabetes is a hereditary autoimmune disease. It is result of destruction of beta cells due to aggressive nature of cells present in the body. It's not caused by "eating Splenda."
As to Type 2 diabetes, over 16 million people in the U.S. have diabetes, and most of them have had diabetes longer than Splenda has even been around!
The exact causes of type 2 diabetes aren’t completely understood, but it is known that the disease has a strong hereditary component. Individuals who have a parent or sibling with type 2 diabetes have 10 to 15% chance of developing the disease (the risk is much higher if the sibling is an identical twin). Environmental factors like an inactive lifestyle or poor diet may act as a trigger for someone with a genetic tendency towards type 2 diabetes. Other potential causes of type 2 include chronic stress, low birth weight (and associated fetal malnourishment), and gene mutations.
Thank you for posting this, Mrs. Molly!!
Combat diabetes misinformation!!!!!!
I'm not recommending or warning against Splenda or any other artificial sweetener... or promoting or discounting other sugars.
I think people can have all sorts of sensitivities to various foods, processed or otherwise. Including HFCS.
Sensitivities and allergies vary from person to person.
And I think how the body responds to various types of sugars (sucrose, lactose, fructose, etc.) also varies from person to person.
I think what is more important is to consider the overall nutritiousness of the food one is considering eating.... and to know your body. Learn how *you* are affected by that food. And then make your choices accordingly.
Agreed.
With all things being equal, there's something to be said for just eating healthy and fresh "whole" food that doesn't need added sweetening (sugar or sugar free) ~ whole grains, fresh veggies, fresh fruits, lean proteins ~ and far less processed and over-processed foods.
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And my favorite kettle corn doesn't have HFCS.
